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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 672

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for the 22nd of august 2021 richard

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saunders coming to you from

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the continuing saga which has locked

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down sydney australia but i know a lot

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of the rest of the country are also in

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the same boat i think of my friends in

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particular

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in the city of melbourne oh how i would

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love to visit you

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i really would wouldn't that be a treat

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wouldn't that be fantastic

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a nice walk through the gardens of

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melbourne looking at wattles and flowers

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and plants and anything

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really or a trip to the seaside along

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the surf coast one of the most beautiful

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parts of australia

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it would be so nice but we can all dream

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we can all dream but you don't have to

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dream about the skeptic zone because

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it's here right now

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this week's show is chock-a-block

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we're going to start off with

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conspiracy theories hmm seems to be a

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constant theme these days in this case

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it's five g conspiracy theories we look

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at a full-page blurb

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that appeared in a local newspaper in

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the northern rivers area of new south

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wales the conspiracy theory heartland

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and we'll get commentary from my friend

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pasquale romero from the fabulous

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squaring the strange podcast

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following that we look at news of some

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of the freedom rallies the freedom

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protests against the lockdowns here in

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australia just yesterday

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and we crossed to our reporter michelle

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franklin who is in darwin the city of

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darwin and saw these protests firsthand

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and then keeping with the covert 19

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and conspiracy theme we look at some of

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the strange and new stories coming out

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of australia in the last week with the

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items to do with covert 19 and we get

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comments from susan gerbic adrian hill

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leonard tremil

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lewis hillman and kelly burke

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then to round off the show once again we

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look at the digital archives

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newspapers and youtube

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for references to

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more modern references to jack the

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but since this is such a bumper episode

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it's time for me now to quickly run

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downstairs have some crackers

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they taste good just dry crackers all

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right dry crackers with a little bit of

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cream cheese okay

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and peanut butter and honey

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while i do that i hope you enjoy the

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oh conspiracy theories you are the gift

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that just keeps on it just keeps on

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if it's not vaccine related conspiracy

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the one world government or the moon

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landing hoax or you name it

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the one thing about 5g conspiracy

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anti-vaccination heartland of australia

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and in the pages of their 11th of august

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2021 edition

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which is available online

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and i will link to this in the show

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dot we are not sam dot com which takes

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correspondences with northern rivers for

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telecommunications industry if he could

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the proof there is no evidence of harm

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phrase proof of no evidence is not

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near power lines i don't have the time

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them in 2000 and much of the hullabaloo

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biological tissues and he misinterpreted

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experience in biology but a mistake

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so this bit of fear is one that we just

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insects to radio frequency emf

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from 2 to 120 gigahertz this study

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a particular risk to insects it's just

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so far there has been no cause for alarm

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millimeter wave is mostly for urban

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via the link in this week's show notes

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but i'll ask pasquel about the statement

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made in big bold letters at the bottom

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of the page

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boycott 5g phones to disable the 5g

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network

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not using 5g phones isn't going to

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disable the network it's already part of

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the communications infrastructure of

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most major cities smart city technology

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is already on the network that is things

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like wireless parking meters automated

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parking structures stop lights

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entire industries have already begun

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pivoting their worker communications

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devices to 5g even power and water

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companies are already utilizing it for

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everything from monitoring their systems

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to reading your house's meter remotely

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this is all to say that i just don't see

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a situation where a boycott by some

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segment of the population would do much

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to slow the spread of 5g technology

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thank you to pasco romero from squaring

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the strange podcast

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so there you go a little look at 5g

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and like i said everybody enjoy these

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conspiracy theories when it comes to 5g

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because i think

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they're destined to

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fizzle out

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hey everyone this is professor dave i

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want to teach you about all kinds of

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things regarding science i want to tell

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you about physics i want to tell you

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about chemistry biology astronomy math

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and many many more things come check me

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out on youtube the channel is called

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[Music]

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as i record this segment of the show

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it's sunday morning here in australia

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and i'm putting this week's episode of

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the skeptic zone together but i thought

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i would reflect

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on the events of yesterday

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yesterday new south wales recorded its

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highest ever day of new covert 19

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infections

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over 800

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which was a jump of over 100 from the

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previous day

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the cases went from the 600s straight to

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the 800s and as i record i don't know

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what today's figures will bring

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nevertheless yesterday

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fueled

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spurred on

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egged on

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by

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various conspiracy theorists online

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thousands of people

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marched through the streets of melbourne

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and this resulted in violent

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encounters with police flares being

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thrown police injured

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and many arrests

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here too in sydney a much smaller group

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of protesters

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marched to the city

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where and they were met by the uh

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long arm of the law the strong arm of

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the law

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now of course these protesters were a

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mix of people

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there are some there who are truly

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having a terrible time

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fed up

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covered

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19 lockdown fatigue

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and we can sympathize to an extent

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but a lot of people were there because

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they've been as i said fueled on by

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misinformation

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conspiracy theories

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from the internet

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these people are protesting that they

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need freedom and we shouldn't be locked

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down

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and of course the fear is if that was

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the case if they had their way

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then within a very short amount of time

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the hospital system would collapse

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the morgues wouldn't be able to cope

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and

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the very people these protesters love

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would be ending up in the grim

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statistics

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protests also

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were in other capital cities like

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brisbane and adelaide

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and also darwin and we'll get to that in

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a moment

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but getting back to sydney and melbourne

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the scenes that we've been seeing on the

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tv news reports are distressing

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absolutely distressing when you consider

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that despite everything the government

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is doing here in sydney at least

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throwing everything it can

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and it's debatable

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what they're doing is right or wrong

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okay

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nevertheless despite everything they're

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doing

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the numbers are increasing at a

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horrifying rate

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and since

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some percentage of these protesters

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believe the conspiracy theories

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to the extent that they think that

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covert 19 is a hoax many of them were

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not wearing masks and it would be fair

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to say that many of them

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weren't vaccinated or will not get

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vaccinated

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the pictures from melbourne are

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particularly

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disheartening

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[Applause]

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it's also disappointing to see

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people i know on

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facebook posting their support for the

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protesters and their derision of the

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police the police who were there doing

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their jobs

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protecting the rest of us

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now it's true to say that the vast

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majority of the population around

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australia are doing the right thing

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and being cautious

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being careful

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the trouble with delta variation of

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covert 19 is

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it only takes a small minority of people

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to do the wrong thing

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and we end up in the situation we find

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so it's

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saturday

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the 21st of august as i speak to you

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it's around about two o'clock in the

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afternoon here in sydney but i'm hooked

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up to our reporter michelle franklin who

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is in darwin at the moment and michelle

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you spending time with our other

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reporter heidi robinson and you've just

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come direct from the freedom protests in

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darwin what's the scene what's happening

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um

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it's not what i was expecting heidi

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texted me a couple days ago and said hey

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this is happening

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do you reckon we should do anything and

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i'm like ah nothing will happen 10

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people will show up and everybody will

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laugh at them and i was very wrong i

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reckon there'd be well over 200 people

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there

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um and they're getting very emotional

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and they're waving signs around and

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doing all the things that you see people

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do on tv so

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yeah

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i was very surprised to see that i'm

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surprised too and and bear in mind that

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darwin is not a huge place so 200 people

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is a reasonable turnout for something

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like this but we have also just come out

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of our second ever lockdown so it's

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fresh in people's minds at the moment

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because

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yeah we just we had a case last week and

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we went into a snap lockdown

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so yeah coverts at the front of

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everybody's minds finally and as we

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speak to each other and you've posted

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some of the pictures from the protest in

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darwin i've been looking on the online

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news and some of the video coming out of

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melbourne is absolutely frightening with

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huge numbers of people

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assaulting police flares being lit and

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thrown and even in sydney there's been

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some arrests

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on the worst day

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here for covert numbers it's absolutely

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frightening

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yeah i've been watching the numbers down

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south it's terrifying i feel like it's a

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whole different world down there to what

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it is up here like until last week

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covert was just a thing that you see on

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the news it was barely even affecting us

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at all

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and then yeah we had one guy come

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through

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i think he went to sydney airport and

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then he went to canberra airport and

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then he came up to darwin

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and they

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said that that that didn't constitute

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quarantine so he was allowed out into

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the community and then his test result

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came back positive so we did a snap

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three-day lockdown

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luckily he didn't transmit to anybody so

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that lockdown has now lifted and we're

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back to being just sort of on alert

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and waiting to see if anything's gonna

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happen but yeah i was not expecting

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quite the response that we saw there

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it's

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yeah very

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very surreal i must say i am now now

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you've explained that situation to me i

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am surprised because okay here in sydney

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where what eight weeks or nine weeks

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into a heavy lockdown

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and today's numbers were horrifying

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and new laws being brought in and

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curfews and all sorts of things so

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people are at their wit's end and you

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can you can

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no they shouldn't do it but you can

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understand the frustration some people

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would have but

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i'm quite surprised that people would

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turn out in darwin after just a three

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day lockdown then life back to normal i

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think because

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to us that feels like a big deal like

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and we went straight into really hard

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lockdown like we were not allowed out of

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our houses

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but it was only three days so like

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honestly to suck it up it's not that bad

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but i can understand people being

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shocked we went from complete freedom to

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complete lockdown and we had i think an

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hour's notice so they announced it on

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the news and the laws came into effect

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an hour later so yeah it was immediate

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um which i think is great i think that's

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the best thing they could have done and

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in this case it's worked and it happened

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a couple of months ago and it worked as

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well we had

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um

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a case in one of the mines here

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and they just immediately locked

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everything down i think there were a

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couple of cases of transmission and then

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it all just went away again

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which was great well look i i'm not

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surprised i did that because we've

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learned the lesson here in sydney or

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maybe we haven't how bad

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delta is it's absolutely

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it's absolutely

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different thing i mean last year was bad

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enough we thought you know the normal

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covert was bad enough but covert uh the

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delta variation seems to spread at the

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drop of a hat it's really frightening

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yeah the other difference that we have

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up here is that access to vaccines is

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easy

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um i'm not sure what the difference is

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obviously we've got a lot fewer people

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so we don't need as many to get good

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coverage but anybody who wants one can

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get one

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um

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when they announce

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the age drop they dropped it down to um

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00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,640
i think they dropped it to 18. a few

573
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,200
months ago and i just rang up the next

574
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,799
day and got an appointment immediately

575
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,760
so i had my two shots months ago

576
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,000
excellent um just last night or two

577
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,679
nights ago on the news they announced

578
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,320
that it's now down to 12 years old so i

579
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,679
called up yesterday and i've got an

580
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,440
appointment for my 12 year old to get

581
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,840
her shot next week great and yeah there

582
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,919
was just no hassles at all it was really

583
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:17,120
easy i'm just waiting for my

584
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,559
nine-year-old now

585
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:20,000
and i don't think it'll be long before

586
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:20,799
they

587
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,240
well and then she can have one and then

588
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,559
we'll be completely covered yeah that'd

589
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,960
be good i certainly hope that can happen

590
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,039
well look please give my love to heidi

591
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,960
who who's visiting you at the moment

592
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,559
unfortunately she had to run away

593
00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:36,559
because this lovely winter's afternoon

594
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,630
was a bit too warm

595
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,200
[Laughter]

596
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,200
well look i i certainly hope that darwin

597
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,120
never has to face what we're facing here

598
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:46,159
in sydney so um i hope so too i really

599
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,039
do

600
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,120
i really hope that the the new measures

601
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,640
that they've put in down there will make

602
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,000
a difference because what i've been

603
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,039
seeing on the news has just not been

604
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,840
not been good i've been very worried uh

605
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,360
well i you know it's sad to say at the

606
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,559
moment it

607
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,039
well it's difficult it doesn't seem to

608
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,400
be working but as

609
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,039
we're told frequently if we didn't have

610
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,720
these measures in place the number of

611
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,240
infections would be counted in the

612
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,240
thousands and the deaths in the hundreds

613
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,279
yeah

614
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,360
stay safe michelle stay safe and thank

615
00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:18,880
you for this live update thank you good

616
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:31,990
[Music]

617
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,990
this is dr karl karl krsnicki proud to

618
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,440
be a skeptic and you can find out more

619
00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:37,840
about me at drcarl.com and get lots of

620
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,230
[Music]

621
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,919
now here's a brief roundup of a couple

622
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,880
of stories coming our way in australia

623
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,640
or from australia

624
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,799
in regards to the curve at 19 outbreak

625
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,159
here at the moment

626
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,760
the first story comes from the northern

627
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,919
rivers region of new south wales this

628
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:11,200
state this is the region where our

629
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,279
reporter heidi robinson is based

630
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,960
and this is reported in the sydney

631
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:19,679
morning herald newspaper online

632
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,440
and a story by nick bonihadi

633
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:25,360
security guards sent to mullenbimby

634
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,880
byron bay post offices as customers shun

635
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,279
masks check-ins

636
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,679
nanda says security guards are now

637
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,000
manning the doors of australia post

638
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,320
stores in mullenbimby and byron bay

639
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:41,520
after more than a third of customers

640
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,320
refused to wear masks use hand sanitizer

641
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,080
or check in

642
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,120
now just as an aside in australia at the

643
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,360
moment i don't know for the rest of the

644
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,520
country but in new south wales

645
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,240
whenever you go to a place of business

646
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,960
you have to check in with the qr code or

647
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,200
at least leave your details

648
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,640
the northern

649
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,360
new south wales holiday region was put

650
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,640
into a 7-day lockdown after a covert 19

651
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,279
positive man visited byron bay but the

652
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,279
stay-at-home rules have been extended as

653
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,760
part of the latest orders for all

654
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,760
regional new south wales

655
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,240
despite the lockdown the communications

656
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:24,880
electrical and plumbing union which

657
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,159
represents australia post staff said

658
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:30,480
more than a third of customers

659
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,600
had not been complying with covert virus

660
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,320
safety rules in recent weeks putting

661
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,120
staff safety at risk

662
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:41,600
it's completely unacceptable

663
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,320
c

664
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,400
e p u

665
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:46,720
new south wales secretary shane murphy

666
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,600
said

667
00:26:53,549 --> 00:26:50,000
even before the pandemic mullen mibby

668
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:53,559
was known for many of its residences

669
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,520
anti-vaccination sentiment and distrust

670
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,679
of mainstream medicine

671
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,600
regional australia post management was

672
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,760
initially resistant to bringing in

673
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,400
security guards but the national mail

674
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,400
service agreed after discussions with

675
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:10,720
the union on friday

676
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,919
we immediately escalated this issue with

677
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,159
australia post management to ensure our

678
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,159
members of australia post outlets have

679
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,000
the safety and security they need

680
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,679
mr murphy said

681
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,679
it's not up to staff to have to enforce

682
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,880
the law

683
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,679
an australia post spokesman said it had

684
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,520
introduced health and safety measures

685
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,080
across its network since the start of

686
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,320
the coronavirus pandemic including

687
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,880
check-ins when required by public health

688
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,919
orders

689
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,840
we now have a security officer at our

690
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,640
mullenbimbian byron bay post offices

691
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,360
to assist customers in understanding

692
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,520
their public health obligations and we

693
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,600
ask for the community's cooperation in

694
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,320
ensuring the health and safety of staff

695
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,960
and customers the spokesman said while

696
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,679
security guards have not been employed

697
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,679
at other stores australia post's

698
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
decision underscores the challenge

699
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,360
facing essential businesses in the

700
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,399
retail sector including supermarkets as

701
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,039
they balance staying open with health

702
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,039
demands from staff

703
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,120
new south wales police minister david

704
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:17,360
elliot urged retailers to put security

705
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,320
guards on doors to enforce the use of qr

706
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,399
codes earlier this month citing the

707
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,080
number of supermarkets listed as

708
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,760
coronavirus exposure locations before

709
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,760
backing down and emphasizing the health

710
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,120
orders

711
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,000
as we've said all along as we've said to

712
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,240
the supermarkets this week the health

713
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,320
orders are clear you've got an

714
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,120
obligation to be reasonable when it

715
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,159
comes to making sure people comply mr

716
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,159
elliot said

717
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,159
some supermarkets have chosen to hire

718
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,919
security guards

719
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,240
now it's interesting to note

720
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:54,799
that in my local

721
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,919
uh shopping center not far from

722
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,919
the studios here

723
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,279
when i

724
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,240
very rarely do shopping and it's usually

725
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,679
late at night when there's scarcely

726
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,679
anybody there i'm glad to say the

727
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,320
supermarket i use has a security well a

728
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,279
staff member at least out the front to

729
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,440
make sure that uh people are wearing

730
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,919
masks and scan in

731
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:20,159
but what a sad reflection on that area

732
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,120
of

733
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,600
new south wales that so many people

734
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,399
don't consider the health orders to be

735
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:28,080
important or they don't consider that

736
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,960
they

737
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,080
should

738
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,960
comply anyway or they simply think the

739
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,640
virus is a hoax

740
00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:37,120
or maybe they're just

741
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,300
freedom warriors who knows

742
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,279
[Music]

743
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,520
joining me now for this part of the uh

744
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,320
roundup of covert news this week i have

745
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:51,760
the prediction project crew adrian lou

746
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,240
leonard kelly and susan hello everybody

747
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,679
hello hi

748
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,880
hello

749
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,880
some of it some of the predict yes of

750
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:03,440
course ian was helping us earlier and we

751
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,399
get

752
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,080
drop-ins and other people helping us

753
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,399
along the way but we did our predictions

754
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,880
today mostly about um the center of

755
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,039
australia and sorts of strange things

756
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,279
and we were looking at events of the

757
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,039
year 2013.

758
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,640
and it's interesting when we look at big

759
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,080
events that weren't predicted by

760
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,159
psychics and we think oh i remember that

761
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,679
i remember that

762
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,240
for example the pope retiring

763
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,960
that was rather unexpected and oddly

764
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,360
enough no psychics predicted it

765
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,799
but nevertheless here we are looking at

766
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,720
covert news and i'd like to get your

767
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,399
thoughts and opinions as i read this

768
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,159
particular story which has come to my

769
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,200
attention and this is by brooke rolfe as

770
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,000
written at news.com today you

771
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,320
awkward shopping center anti-vaxx

772
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,200
protest ruthlessly mocked online over

773
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,760
confusing signs

774
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,520
and here it is a group of covert

775
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,200
protesters

776
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,039
they're not protesting against covert

777
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,200
they're they're really um conspiracy

778
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,039
theorists thinking that coverts not that

779
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,360
real i suspect a group of covert

780
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,840
protesters have been ruthlessly mocked

781
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,880
after holding illegible signs

782
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,519
while dressing in full ppe

783
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,720
at their silent demonstration

784
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,399
in the video accompanying it's quite

785
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,640
funny they're all dressed like mimes you

786
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,039
know with the the face thing

787
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,960
it says a group of protesters

788
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,279
demonstrating inside a shopping mall put

789
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:26,880
on an awkward performance over the

790
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,679
weekend attracting virtually no one's

791
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,320
attention

792
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,080
despite being dressed

793
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,600
in full body ppe the strange display

794
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:39,840
unfolded inside lakeside joondalup

795
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,640
shopping city center north of perth on

796
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,720
saturday morning with a group

797
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:46,720
mem with group members holding up a

798
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:50,240
series of bizarre placards

799
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,760
organizers believed to be anti-vaxxers

800
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,159
may be disappointed in how footage of

801
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:58,880
the protest has been received online via

802
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,399
viral tick-tock of the event receiving

803
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,559
confused reactions

804
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,480
and i will read some of the signs in a

805
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,440
moment not only were shoppers entirely

806
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,600
unfazed by the demonstration the play

807
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,919
cards this display didn't make much

808
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,799
sense

809
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,159
here's what they were holding up in

810
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,120
their silent demonstration trust the

811
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:21,600
science was one sign

812
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,200
dobb on the unvaccinated was another

813
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,480
sign

814
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,279
support dividing australians was another

815
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:31,039
sign

816
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,440
video showed about a dozen group members

817
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:46,080
walking slowly in unison and not saying

818
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,279
anything

819
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,760
the signs were believed to be

820
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,399
the group's take on sarcasm however

821
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,399
however when read plainly some were

822
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:57,679
somewhat accurate one sign said trust

823
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,549
uh and then another sign said do not

824
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,200
question authority another said

825
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,480
censorship is for our safety

826
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,760
okay

827
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,760
uh one you know i'd like to trust the

828
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,720
site

829
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,640
yeah trust the science yeah that was a

830
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,720
good that's a good one one person held a

831
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,679
sign saying support dividing australians

832
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,880
and the person behind them had one

833
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,519
uh sign that said dobb on the

834
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:29,600
unvaccinated now dobb

835
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,399
in australian slang means to inform on

836
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,399
if you dab on someone you're informing

837
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,350
somebody else sign

838
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,039
was reading trusted science yes and

839
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,559
another sign said

840
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,960
no independent thought

841
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,159
um

842
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:49,120
one was also holding a sign that read

843
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,240
that read

844
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:53,440
mask is work

845
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,399
they're not

846
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,679
i mean

847
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,519
okay

848
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,480
i mean support dividing australians is

849
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:02,480
is this a plea for

850
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,109
don't be woke i suppose i don't know

851
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,639
it's fair to say

852
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:17,359
they

853
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,040
it's fair to say whatever the group's

854
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,000
actual message was it

855
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,800
it fell largely on their fears hundreds

856
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,639
poked fun at the group's comments on

857
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,679
tick tock

858
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,040
um

859
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,320
with the stay sleep sign leveling out

860
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,399
leaving many hysterical

861
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:41,280
uh somebody said i live by stay sleep

862
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,720
and don't think anyway

863
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,800
it's the grammar stay asleep that did it

864
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,679
for me

865
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,560
another added many pointed out the irony

866
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,520
of

867
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:53,760
irony in the group or wearing masks and

868
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,990
oh man okay so i'll link to this

869
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,760
in the in this week's show notes but

870
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,599
it's it's

871
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,440
wow i mean

872
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,000
it talk about what we call an old and

873
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,839
own goal you know just they're they're

874
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,839
sending themselves up i think they're

875
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,359
trying to make it set like they're

876
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,960
trying to paint this ridiculous picture

877
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,560
but it's actually like making all of us

878
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:21,839
happier that they're keeping to

879
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,400
themselves and keeping full ppe on yeah

880
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:26,160
yeah i mean it's fascinating that

881
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:27,200
they're

882
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,920
but um

883
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,079
but it's also very worrying that there

884
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,320
are people in our society who think this

885
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,480
is clever or funny or meaning or

886
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,960
poignant and they have to do some sort

887
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,359
of protest to what are they protesting

888
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,960
against public health

889
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,119
maybe it's so

890
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,880
another layer deep

891
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,400
and they're

892
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,800
pointing out the absurdity of everything

893
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:55,760
by

894
00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,839
trying to be so completely

895
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,079
unintelligible that people will try to

896
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,160
assume that they mean something but they

897
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,320
don't i guess in one sense though they

898
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,160
sort of achieved an aim they got

899
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,760
notoriety i mean nostradamus people are

900
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,440
going to be reading things into what

901
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,839
they said yeah like leonard said yeah

902
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,599
maybe maybe that's i mean we're finding

903
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,920
out about it so their protest didn't go

904
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,119
completely

905
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,000
unnoticed but it's

906
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,920
i guess it's good in a sense but it's so

907
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,480
bizarre and so stupid uh

908
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
in another sense have there been any

909
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,400
bizarre and weird things happening in

910
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,480
the united states that maybe we haven't

911
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,760
heard about here in australia with

912
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,150
well not not of this type oh my goodness

913
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,119
nothing oh nothing at all happens in

914
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,760
america we have we're just the most sane

915
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,800
and

916
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,560
as soon as i said it i realized what i

917
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,119
consider it and of course we do we do

918
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,760
have some things being said by

919
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,839
uh governors of some of our southern

920
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,960
states

921
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,720
school board meetings

922
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,480
very interesting really some of those

923
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,560
governments getting covered now i heard

924
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,160
that now which governor has covered

925
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,560
governor of texas greg abbott and that's

926
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,359
that's relatively recent news

927
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,440
i heard about it today

928
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,640
okay yeah

929
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,560
and now has he been

930
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,480
is he noted for

931
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,960
flouting the the concern for covert or

932
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:21,920
something like that i'm sure he's

933
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,119
vaccinated not only flouting the concern

934
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,440
but he's also uh and not only was he

935
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:29,760
vaccinated he's also getting the

936
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:33,119
regeneron um antibody treatment despite

937
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,839
the fact that he is

938
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,119
asymptomatic yeah and he was also one of

939
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,359
the first to lift mass mandates like

940
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,119
texas was one of the really early states

941
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,280
that lifted their mass mandates and

942
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,920
was you know full force going back to

943
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,240
regular life so it's

944
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,280
particularly frustrating so texas has no

945
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,920
icu beds

946
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,079
for kids for children children yeah they

947
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,440
said on a i watched an administrator in

948
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,079
texas a couple days ago say

949
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,160
if your child needs an icu bed they'll

950
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,720
have to wait until another child dies

951
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,440
well and and this is only um you know

952
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,599
we're only speaking in

953
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,920
uh as we record this it's wednesday

954
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:15,920
morning here in australia it's tuesday

955
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,839
evening for you folks so it's a few days

956
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,400
yet before the skeptic zone goes out

957
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,320
and we are anticipating that things

958
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,200
could go a bit uh a bit more pear-shaped

959
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,720
in the united states

960
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:28,960
uh i don't see any way that can be

961
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,520
avoided if this doesn't go as you put it

962
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,520
pear-shaped it would be a

963
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,400
spectacular surprise a welcome one but

964
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,040
yeah it's uh it's it's it's going to get

965
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,400
it's going to get worse before it gets

966
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,480
better yeah those are starting to go

967
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,359
back now so it's going to get worse

968
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:47,760
especially for kids oh well in my part

969
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,720
of arizona i noticed more people are

970
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,280
masking again good

971
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,960
good i mean it's extraordinary here when

972
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,280
when i venture out very rarely now if

973
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,359
i'm doing some exercise so i have to get

974
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,599
to the shop to the shopping center

975
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,599
that uh there's scarcely anybody there

976
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,240
and anybody who is there is

977
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,240
as masked up and even walking in the

978
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,640
streets people are wearing masks here so

979
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,640
interesting here in california almost

980
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:15,040
always people are masked and we don't

981
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,640
have a mandate

982
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,359
our rates are fairly low i mean for

983
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,599
california standards

984
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,760
not for other places but people have

985
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,200
been wearing masks even out walking

986
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,960
their dogs when there's nobody around

987
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,720
and even the dog has got a mask it's

988
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,000
quite amazing

989
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,440
it's amazing to me

990
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,280
you know the the bad news is you know we

991
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,040
hear about these people on the new on

992
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,720
the school boards and stuff and these

993
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,440
mimes or whatever they are yeah

994
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,720
they're they're getting a lot of press

995
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,599
but i think that i'm an optimist i think

996
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,040
that most people are doing the right

997
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:47,359
thing and being careful and i think

998
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,640
you're right i think we're going to be

999
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:50,000
able to get through this it's going to

1000
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,359
be a few more weeks though but i think

1001
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:52,880
we're going to start seeing it but then

1002
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,320
again i'm an optimist and i no

1003
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,160
no you're right and just whenever i see

1004
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,079
these sort of bizarre things going on

1005
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,599
and all the protests in the streets

1006
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,520
which we've had in the past

1007
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,440
uh it's a minority it's a tiny minority

1008
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,880
of the general population the general

1009
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,560
population get it and are doing the

1010
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,440
right thing it's the minority who aren't

1011
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:13,839
and uh helping to extend the the

1012
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,640
lockdowns yeah the problem is with uh

1013
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,160
the delta variant

1014
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:20,800
it only takes a minority yeah to spread

1015
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,240
it to a lot of people it does personal

1016
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,880
personal anecdote one of

1017
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,560
my partner's

1018
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,520
sons

1019
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,760
is a non-believer

1020
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:34,160
will not get

1021
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,440
or allow his family to get vaccinated

1022
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,599
wow this is

1023
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,040
i actually left

1024
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,119
uh left tucson when they came here to

1025
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,359
visit because i wouldn't be around them

1026
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,880
wow

1027
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,240
that's too bad

1028
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,640
anyway that's a roundup a little roundup

1029
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,640
of some of the strange and interesting

1030
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,359
stories that come from

1031
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:57,920
our current situation worldwide so thank

1032
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,800
you great australian psychic prediction

1033
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:03,520
crew and i look forward to seeing you

1034
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:06,720
for our session next week thanks richard

1035
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,760
thanks richard good to see you richard

1036
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:11,440
great thanks everybody i'll put that on

1037
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:13,500
the show

1038
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,640
[Music]

1039
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,760
hello

1040
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,200
maynard here kicking back with a

1041
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,000
cocktail in the bill shatner room here

1042
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,400
at maynard international studios it's a

1043
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:36,720
bit like international rescue

1044
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,720
except we don't do anything um

1045
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:43,040
hang on what's this this oh i like

1046
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,760
playing on one like this

1047
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,960
[Music]

1048
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,119
hmm that tastes good it's called a

1049
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,240
paranormal punch because it's made with

1050
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,880
lots of spirits oh come on it's a

1051
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,079
pandemic

1052
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,520
anyway you know when i get a few minutes

1053
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,440
to unwind at the end of the day and boy

1054
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,440
do i unwind sometimes i'm just a whole

1055
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:03,440
bunch of cogs on the floor um i like to

1056
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,160
visit the bent spoon award page over at

1057
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,680
skeptics.com.edu hey

1058
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,440
hey we all need a hobby come on look i

1059
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
gotta have something to do at the end of

1060
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:14,640
the day did you know this ben spoon

1061
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,599
award the award no one wants to win has

1062
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,839
been going for 40 years now oh yeah you

1063
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:21,520
should see some of the winners

1064
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,000
in fact you can see some of the winners

1065
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,000
let me tell you about some of them

1066
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,480
in 1984 the award went to the melbourne

1067
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,800
metropolitan board of works

1068
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,280
i know we're all big fans of them

1069
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,280
for their payment of one thousand eight

1070
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:38,400
hundred and twenty three dollars to us

1071
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,160
psychic archaeologist karen hunt

1072
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:44,720
to use divining rods to detect an

1073
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,720
alleged electromagnetic photo field

1074
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,720
fantastic well deserve the award that

1075
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,359
one i look i could have done that for 15

1076
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,599
bucks in cab fare

1077
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,960
in 2000 it went to jasmuhin

1078
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,040
who claimed she could live without food

1079
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,200
and water anyone who's been to uni can

1080
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,640
do that in 2015 and 2020 it was former

1081
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,760
celebrity chef pete evans former

1082
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,640
celebrity chef pete evans that means

1083
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,119
he's no longer famous for being a chef

1084
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:17,040
he's just famous for

1085
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,160
chefing

1086
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,240
anyway he won it for just being pete

1087
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,079
evans good on you pete you keep doing

1088
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,880
that we're all right behind you a long

1089
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,520
way behind you also winners over the

1090
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:29,599
years have been a slew of anti-vaxxers

1091
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,079
quacks and shonks and even a free energy

1092
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,000
machine i could use one of these well i

1093
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,240
have actually got one it's not actually

1094
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,319
just some stuff in the corner in this

1095
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,040
2021 the australian skeptics are looking

1096
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,960
for the next winner

1097
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,839
loser of the bent spoon and that's where

1098
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,680
you come in although not here my door's

1099
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,760
locked come in yes if you live in

1100
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:51,760
australia send in your nomination for

1101
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,440
the bent spoon 2021 via that link at

1102
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,710
who should you nominate i'm not going to

1103
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,359
say who should you nominate as a skeptic

1104
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,520
say it should be a perpetrator of the

1105
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,160
most preposterous piece of paranormal or

1106
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,640
pseudo scientific piffle that doesn't

1107
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,800
quite work it should be

1108
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,400
the most preposterous piece of

1109
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,520
paranormal or prosciutto to scientific

1110
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,480
people but hurry nominations close soon

1111
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,720
act now get a part in macbeth on hang

1112
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,240
that's a different script but hurry

1113
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,119
nominations close soon hey

1114
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,200
you think the bent spoon's bad wait do

1115
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,920
you see the bent fork oh come on it's a

1116
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,079
pandemic time for another cocktail

1117
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,240
dieter i might use a bendy straw this

1118
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,720
time and not in the cocktail hey deeta

1119
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,359
pass me some of that free energy did you

1120
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:42,720
know that richard saunders was in the

1121
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:47,250
movie suite charity no neither did he

1122
00:45:00,570 --> 00:45:05,589
[Music]

1123
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,109
now it's time to look through those

1124
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,760
digital archives of newspapers

1125
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,880
from around the world this week

1126
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,839
but also we're going to be using little

1127
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,040
clips and snippets from videos on

1128
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,680
youtube and the topic

1129
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:23,280
jack the ripper

1130
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,930
part two

1131
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,599
[Music]

1132
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,200
last week we were looking at older

1133
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,359
reports of jack the ripper and the

1134
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,000
paranormal when it came to one person in

1135
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,880
particular that was robert lees

1136
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,200
who claimed he

1137
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
was able to detect the presence of jack

1138
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
the ripper on a bus

1139
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,520
and the more i researched mr lee's the

1140
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,520
more i found there's quite a lot of

1141
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,040
references to him

1142
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,200
over a century ago

1143
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,079
but this week i thought we'd come

1144
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,200
forward in time we would look at more

1145
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,480
recent

1146
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,160
bits and pieces regarding jack the

1147
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,240
ripper and i thought youtube might be an

1148
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,319
interesting place to have a look

1149
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:06,000
jack the ripper and the paranormal of

1150
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,200
course

1151
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,079
and there are many reports stories

1152
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,560
videos on youtube about jack the ripper

1153
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,640
and ghosts and the paranormal psychics

1154
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,079
and things like that

1155
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,000
and i have put together a short

1156
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,240
collection of four to look at

1157
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,720
two of these excerpts involve something

1158
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,119
called a ghost box

1159
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,119
or a spirit box

1160
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,960
now we've covered these things before on

1161
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,560
the skeptic zone over the years i've

1162
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,520
seen one in use myself this is

1163
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:36,079
more or less it's a hand-held radio

1164
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,280
scanner

1165
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:40,480
which has been designed to quickly

1166
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,359
shuttle flip between frequencies

1167
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,839
and if it locks onto a broadcast it will

1168
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,880
stay there for a fraction of a second or

1169
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,200
a second and then move on to the next

1170
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,280
frequency and find another

1171
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,760
uh active broadcast

1172
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,920
which can result in

1173
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,079
lots of static of course but every now

1174
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,480
and then fragments or

1175
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,400
whole words

1176
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,839
and the adherents the believers think

1177
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,400
these words are actually the voices of

1178
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,960
spirits using radio

1179
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,400
and why not

1180
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,040
to send messages to the living

1181
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,200
here is an example of one i recorded

1182
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:22,000
myself on a ghost tour some years ago

1183
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:23,650
here in sydney

1184
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,520
is everyone okay that we're here

1185
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,230
[Laughter]

1186
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:48,319
now according to one website here what

1187
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,340
is this one ghoststop.com

1188
00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:53,119
[Music]

1189
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,240
or is it

1190
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,440
ghoststop.com one or the other they

1191
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:58,800
present no

1192
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,240
end of ghost hunting equipment including

1193
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,240
ghost boxes

1194
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,480
oh they also have the boo bear

1195
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,880
or the boo buddy which is a a bear with

1196
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,640
a camera in it i think that's a bit

1197
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,240
creepy in itself

1198
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,119
one of their featured items is the s box

1199
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,480
ghost scanner plus recorder the s box

1200
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:21,359
ghost scanner is a spirit box radio

1201
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,319
frequency sweep scanner and recorder for

1202
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,079
paranormal research

1203
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:29,520
s box includes many other features to

1204
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,079
aid in making your investigations easier

1205
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,960
while providing quality evidence

1206
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:36,480
documentation

1207
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,680
and it features automatic fm am radio

1208
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,319
sweep plus spike detect

1209
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,760
recording playback radio sweep and evp

1210
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,960
audio

1211
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,359
and evp stands for

1212
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,480
electronic voice phenomenon

1213
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,599
adjustable sweep speed control

1214
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,400
rechargeable battery and long life well

1215
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,559
that's good i mean you would hope at

1216
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,960
least the ghosts will be uh would be

1217
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,800
environmentally

1218
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,319
aware

1219
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,040
sd card port for recording

1220
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,520
32 gigabyte maximum

1221
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,000
forward or reverse sweep direction

1222
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:17,280
loud amplified speaker 10 times power

1223
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,640
and head

1224
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,640
phone port

1225
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,119
backlit display and built-in flashlight

1226
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,640
you might scare the ghost with that but

1227
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,520
anyway

1228
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,520
bluetooth connection for use as a

1229
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,280
wireless speaker

1230
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,400
s box is a new spirit box built

1231
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,079
specifically for paranormal

1232
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,040
investigations with features we need

1233
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,079
it's a compact and easy to use tool for

1234
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,599
communication with

1235
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:42,839
paranormal

1236
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,720
entities s box utilizes

1237
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:49,920
radio frequency sweeps to generate white

1238
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,520
noise from existing fm and am bands

1239
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:54,480
which

1240
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,400
theory suggests may provide an entity

1241
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,040
the energy they need to be heard

1242
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,599
when this occurs you may hear voices or

1243
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,760
sounds coming through the static

1244
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,960
in their attempt to communicate

1245
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,040
now what skeptics have

1246
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:13,760
long suspected is really going on here

1247
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,599
is a phenomenon called audio paradolia

1248
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,079
now paradolia is the

1249
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,839
human ability

1250
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,800
to

1251
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,599
make sense out of random images

1252
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:26,880
primarily

1253
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,559
in other words we can see a face

1254
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:32,000
in a cloud

1255
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:33,200
or

1256
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,160
anything else usually these are faces we

1257
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,079
can see faces in all sorts of everyday

1258
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,480
objects but that's just the way our

1259
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,119
brain works well audio paradolia is

1260
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,800
somewhat similar

1261
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,559
when we can hear

1262
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,480
random noises or static or something

1263
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:55,200
like that and our brains will

1264
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,240
seek

1265
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,680
patterns

1266
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,400
seek words if possible sometimes you

1267
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,400
hear music where there's no music

1268
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,640
but in the case of the spirit box

1269
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:06,960
it's putting these fragments of words

1270
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,640
together and imagining that

1271
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:13,200
they're making some sense somehow or

1272
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,240
saying

1273
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,640
actual sentences but just harking back

1274
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,640
to the visual paradoli one of the

1275
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,480
classic examples of course is the face

1276
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,680
on mars from many years ago

1277
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,079
when the nasa picture of a

1278
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,160
small hill on mars

1279
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,559
convinced many there was a giant face

1280
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,319
carved on the planet

1281
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,280
but i digress getting back to

1282
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,760
spirit boxes and our

1283
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,599
examples from youtube

1284
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:42,559
our first example comes from

1285
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,160
celebrity ghost chat with roxanne

1286
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:47,680
and here

1287
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,079
she uses a ghost box to contact the

1288
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:53,440
spirit of catherine eddows

1289
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:00,870
kevin you have three children are you

1290
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,670
[Music]

1291
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,040
your parents

1292
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:13,440
george and kathryn

1293
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,589
catherine can you tell us anything

1294
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,040
can you tell us anything about your

1295
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,880
murderer

1296
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:39,829
do you know anything about him

1297
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,510
it's interesting to note that also on

1298
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,119
her video before she gets to the uh

1299
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,680
the ghost box or the spirit box

1300
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,400
she says that no negative comments or

1301
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,960
skeptics or trolls will be tolerated oh

1302
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,960
well

1303
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,440
our next clip comes from

1304
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,079
a show looks like a pilot possibly for a

1305
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,880
tv show i'm not sure called contact

1306
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:03,920
killer

1307
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,440
rapid response team and this appears to

1308
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,280
be something from the sci-fi channel

1309
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,280
from 2016.

1310
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,440
and this shows a group of young people

1311
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,359
running around in the dark

1312
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,079
with the infrared light of course which

1313
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:20,000
turns out to be green when you see it on

1314
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,119
the screen

1315
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:23,040
and they are talking to

1316
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,240
the air

1317
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,240
but looking at a little

1318
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,119
like a little uh electric meter on the

1319
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:30,800
floor with a little dial that sort of

1320
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:38,230
annie is the person who murdered you

1321
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:46,309
what happened annie

1322
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,130
come talk to me for a little bit

1323
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,520
[Music]

1324
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,839
if you could come as close as possible

1325
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,559
into this device on the ground and

1326
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,480
let me know you're here

1327
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,190
whoa

1328
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,990
is that you annie

1329
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,839
[Music]

1330
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,079
now this clip was filmed of course in

1331
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,599
the dark and again i ask the question

1332
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,280
why don't they just film it

1333
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,280
in broad daylight or at least with good

1334
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:15,040
lights so they can see what they're

1335
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,160
doing

1336
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,680
the answer is of course that doesn't

1337
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:19,359
make for good tv

1338
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,119
and what the tv want are

1339
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,359
creepy situations

1340
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,079
next we have the psychic examiners from

1341
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,839
2019

1342
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:30,720
and

1343
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,000
i can see this video hasn't exactly had

1344
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
many views

1345
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,319
i get a very strong sense that he really

1346
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,040
does like to play with his victims

1347
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:42,960
his breath is warm and it's coming out

1348
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,000
in puffs of mist

1349
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,319
he appears to be clean-shaven except for

1350
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,359
possibly a mustache

1351
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,839
and his hair appears dark

1352
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,319
now i'm trying to get a feel

1353
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,480
for his skin tone

1354
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,119
and i want to say it's light colored i

1355
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,040
want to say it's white

1356
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,280
but not distinctly

1357
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,680
i would say a lighter color

1358
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:08,720
um

1359
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,640
is faded

1360
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:14,480
or

1361
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,040
he has on a dark coat and a dark hat

1362
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,119
which is covering most of the top of his

1363
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,599
face because his face appears to me in a

1364
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,160
shadow except for the bottom half

1365
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,520
his hands

1366
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,599
look immaculate like his nails are

1367
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:32,799
trimmed

1368
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,190
and finally

1369
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,000
slightly unusually we have contacting

1370
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,599
the ripper's ghost

1371
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,000
haunted places in

1372
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:47,599
melbourne

1373
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,400
probably in the darkest creepiest part

1374
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,559
of this alley and we're going to try and

1375
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,720
reach out to the resident ghost here who

1376
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,720
is believed to be frederick bailey

1377
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,440
deming jack the ripper suspect

1378
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,440
and i'm going to be using my spirit box

1379
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,359
i'm not sure we'll get any responses but

1380
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,520
i mean it's worth trying we're here and

1381
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,040
this place has an interesting dark

1382
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,520
history and quite a few ghost sightings

1383
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,680
so definitely worth trying

1384
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,160
hi my name is amy i'm looking to talk to

1385
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:20,160
anyone who might exist in this alleyway

1386
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:29,670
frederick are you around can you come

1387
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:38,450
why are you in this alley

1388
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:42,309
[Applause]

1389
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:53,190
why did you come to melbourne

1390
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,470
so once again the spirit box was in use

1391
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,119
and uh yeah well who knows maybe the

1392
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:02,000
ghost of jack the ripper took a trip to

1393
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,280
melbourne

1394
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:05,119
but that's enough from youtube let's now

1395
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,069
[Music]

1396
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,400
and that brings us to

1397
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,559
the newspaper clipping for this segment

1398
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,640
and this comes to us from the

1399
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:24,000
amarillo globe news the travel section

1400
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,119
dated

1401
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,680
sunday the 19th of november

1402
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,000
2006

1403
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,240
a chilling london tour

1404
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,520
hangout

1405
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,200
with jack the ripper

1406
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:37,200
by rosemary mcclure

1407
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,950
london the cobble stoned street is dark

1408
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,040
and slick from rain

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the clouds are heavy and low

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but the light spills from the ten bells

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pub

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inside lagers and ales are poured and a

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dozen patrons are drinking laughing and

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lounging at the dark wood bar

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more than a hundred years ago during

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what came to be known as the autumn of

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terror

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00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,280
serial killer jack the ripper stalked

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00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,559
this small pub in london's east end

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two of his victims were thought to have

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walked out its door

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00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,599
today the pub has become the centerpiece

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00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,599
of one of london's most popular walking

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00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,720
tours the jack the ripper walk i've

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tried to figure out why the two are so

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00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,040
popular said author and guide richard

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00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,440
jones who leads nightly walk through the

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area where the 19th century ripper

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murders occurred

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00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,079
it's a very sordid story five women

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00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,640
brutally murdered jones said you know

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00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,640
what's really strange the majority of

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people who take the tour are women

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00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,520
jack the ripper's gruesome offenses

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00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:53,760
would qualify him for membership in any

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hall of infamy even in london a city

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00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,520
with more than its share of grisly

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00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,640
crimes and haunted locations with its

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00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,280
long history of murder mayhem and

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00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,280
macabre incidents

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00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,440
london has the daunting distinction of

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00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:12,000
being the most haunted capital city in

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00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,119
the world

1444
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,000
i explored the city's sinister streets

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00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,799
one night last spring on a haunted

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00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:20,319
london tour

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00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,200
with london's dark narrow streets and

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00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,839
ancient alleyways as a backdrop it

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00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:27,680
didn't take much imagination to hear

1450
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,480
ghosts wailing in the wind see headless

1451
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,359
soldiers in the shadows and feel a chill

1452
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,000
down my spine when i heard tales of

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00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,640
haunted palaces theaters prisons and

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00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,000
cathedrals

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00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:42,960
the tour piqued my interest in the

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00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,920
city's colorful history so i made a few

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00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:47,119
calls

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00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,200
london has its share of skeptics

1459
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:53,839
who appear on tv and lecture circuit

1460
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,520
debunking paranormal activity and

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01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,040
disparaging those who believe in ghosts

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01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:00,960
goblins and things that go bump in the

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01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:01,839
night

1464
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,640
but for every skeptic there's a true

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01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,440
believer and such organizations as the

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01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,160
institute of paranormal research

1467
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,119
help further the stories the institute

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01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:16,240
in london investigates ufos occult

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01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,079
activity and ghosts throughout britain

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01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:23,280
jones who has written 11 guidebooks his

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01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,240
latest

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01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:26,240
the jack the ripper tour will be

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01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,839
published next year is popular on the tv

1474
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,359
lecture circuit too

1475
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:34,400
jack the ripper bought my house he said

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01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,760
he guides tours five nights a week

1477
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,240
introducing thousands to the sordid

1478
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:42,880
crimes of jack the ripper it's hugely

1479
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,760
competitive jones said more than a

1480
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,079
million people take the tours each year

1481
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:50,880
on any one night you can count 20 to 30

1482
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,319
groups going out on one tour we started

1483
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,880
at dusk in suffolk across the thames

1484
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:58,960
river from the city of london

1485
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,760
the area boasts the resurrected

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01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,559
shakespeare globe theater which opened

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01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,640
in 1997

1488
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:08,559
but for the most part the streets and

1489
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,240
buildings are old historic and creepy

1490
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,920
especially at night

1491
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,160
at clink street walked beneath the model

1492
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:17,440
of a gibbet

1493
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,839
and a decomposing body

1494
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,079
unfamiliar with gibbets

1495
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,480
it's a gallows with a crossbeam

1496
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:26,720
criminals were hung from it in chains

1497
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,400
and their bodies were left to decompose

1498
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,359
our final stop was in the east end site

1499
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,000
of the rippers five murders some of the

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01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,280
women haunt the area our guide said

1501
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,119
i wondered why jack the ripper's crimes

1502
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,440
had become so well known

1503
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,880
jones theory

1504
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,280
jack the ripper was the first mass media

1505
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,440
killer his murders were reported by

1506
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,520
newspapers around the world

1507
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,559
for 10 weeks in 1888

1508
01:01:59,380 --> 01:01:56,240
terror reigned

1509
01:02:04,470 --> 01:01:59,390
wrought by the knife of jack the ripper

1510
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,069
so there was a more recent uh

1511
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:09,920
example of jack the ripper and the

1512
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,720
paranormal reported in the newspapers

1513
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,920
this time

1514
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,480
from the usa

1515
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:19,200
maybe one day when this pandemic is over

1516
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,880
i too can join a walking tour of london

1517
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,200
and search for the ghosts of the victims

1518
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,039
of jack the ripper

1519
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,119
maybe i won't be using a spirit box they

1520
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480
tend to be a little bit noisy and

1521
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,160
distracting i think

1522
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:34,559
but no matter where you are in the world

1523
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,240
you can dive into your local archives of

1524
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,799
newspapers and information

1525
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,000
digitally

1526
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,160
stored online for your

1527
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,960
research and entertainment

1528
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:48,640
and don't forget you can always use the

1529
01:02:56,430 --> 01:02:52,200
australian one at trove

1530
01:03:12,950 --> 01:02:56,440
trove.nla.gov dot a u

1531
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,549
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1532
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,160
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1533
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:18,000
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1534
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,520
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1535
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,240
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1536
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,720
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1537
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,480
next week on the show we have a special

1538
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,480
report by our reporter adrian hill in

1539
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,520
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1540
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,000
about a woo shop

1541
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,200
in the tourist spot of jasper jasper

1542
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:38,000
famous for its mountainous views

1543
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,280
in fact

1544
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,440
i was in jasper

1545
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,280
over 50 years ago

1546
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,359
i'm told it's very beautiful but i

1547
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,200
really don't remember

1548
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,039
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01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:54,000
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1551
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,280
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1552
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,039
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1560
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,880
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01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:18,880
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1562
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,760
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1563
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,839
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1564
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,599
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1565
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:28,079
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1566
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,510
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